Need comply with

One questione need one who can help me to confirm:
we have one itme energy saving ligthing product,It was used PLC 10w and equiped with a ballast,it means the product its temp will very lower at its shade position,( this is floor lamp its height 1.8M),when i do bleow simple test to check its resistance to fire :
i used the igniter to lit the plastic shade and found the shade continuosely burned.
From EN 60598-1 says the non-metalic parts contain current parts or protect elctric shock then need comply with"resistance to fire" but this shade it looks NOT act as above two functions.
And from EN 60335-1 it was diffrently said as EN 60598 it was said if it was non-metal parts should compy with "resistance to fire"
i am think this shade parts need comply with "resistance to fire".how do all of you think???????

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terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-12 18:11

have to need need comply with "resistance to fire"!!

see the standard iec60598-2-22 22.15

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superjohnyao

LV.2

2006-02-12 22:14

@terry.feng

havetoneedneedcomplywith"resistancetofire"!!seethestandardiec60598-2-2222.15

iec 60598-2-22 is for emergency lighting product.
but my product is a floor lamp (energy saving product)?
so its shade is Ok if failed for "resistance to fire"?
Thanks

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terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-13 09:43

@superjohnyao

iec60598-2-22isforemergencylightingproduct.butmyproductisafloorlamp(energysavingproduct)?soitsshadeisOkiffailedfor"resistancetofire"?Thanks

can you upload the product's photo?

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superjohnyao

LV.2

2006-02-13 12:31

@terry.feng

canyouuploadtheproduct'sphoto?

unfortunately i have not take this images .
in simple words. the lamp shade was upward and inside just have a energy saving bulb with lampholder ( the dia for lamp shade was 260mm)

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terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-13 12:58

@superjohnyao

unfortunatelyihavenottakethisimages.insimplewords.thelampshadewasupwardandinsidejusthaveaenergysavingbulbwithlampholder(thediaforlampshadewas260mm)

i see.
the lamp shade like a chimney,isn't it?
i think this part no want to comply.
this is my idea..

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superjohnyao

LV.2

2006-02-13 20:32

@terry.feng

isee.thelampshadelikeachimney,isn'tit?ithinkthispartnowanttocomply.thisismyidea..

Thanks a lot.
yes.from IEC 60598-1, It seems ok.
i am not understand why IEC 60335-1 was strict than iec 60598-1 for this "resistance to fire" issue.
as you know iec 60335-1 sais "all non-metalic enclosure need resistance to fire.........."

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terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-13 22:37

@superjohnyao

Thanksalot.yes.fromIEC60598-1,Itseemsok.iamnotunderstandwhyIEC60335-1wasstrictthaniec60598-1forthis"resistancetofire"issue.asyouknowiec60335-1sais"allnon-metalicenclosureneedresistancetofire.........."

其實(shí)598是有很多不足或嚴(yán)謹(jǐn)?shù)牡胤?這是行業(yè)內(nèi)公認(rèn)的,不然會(huì)有這么多CTL決議啊,但耐火這條我個(gè)人認(rèn)為并不是比335不嚴(yán)謹(jǐn),598只是根據(jù)不同燈具產(chǎn)品有相應(yīng)的不同要求,應(yīng)急燈就是一個(gè)好例子.有些燈的燈罩作用偏向于一個(gè)裝飾物,不必符合耐火試驗(yàn),反而我覺得它這點(diǎn)比家電標(biāo)準(zhǔn)靈活點(diǎn).

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superjohnyao

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2006-02-13 22:49

@terry.feng

謝謝,假如燈頭外的塑膠部分要耐火嗎?它是用來SUPPORT 燈罩的,叫燈杯.我個(gè)人認(rèn)為要.

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superjohnyao

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2006-02-13 22:52

@superjohnyao

謝謝,假如燈頭外的塑膠部分要耐火嗎?它是用來SUPPORT燈罩的,叫燈杯.我個(gè)人認(rèn)為要.

THANKS.YOU ARE STILL ONLINE?

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terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-13 22:53

@superjohnyao

謝謝,假如燈頭外的塑膠部分要耐火嗎?它是用來SUPPORT燈罩的,叫燈杯.我個(gè)人認(rèn)為要.

這個(gè)不是用598考究啦,燈座應(yīng)該有相應(yīng)的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)考究它,參閱相關(guān)的燈座標(biāo)準(zhǔn).

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superjohnyao

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2006-02-13 22:56

@terry.feng

這個(gè)不是用598考究啦,燈座應(yīng)該有相應(yīng)的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)考究它,參閱相關(guān)的燈座標(biāo)準(zhǔn).

I WILL ATTACHED THE IMAGES TO SHOW THE PLASTIC PARTS.
I AM NOT SAYING THE LAMPHOLDER.
THANKS

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terry.feng

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2006-02-13 22:59

@superjohnyao

IWILLATTACHEDTHEIMAGESTOSHOWTHEPLASTICPARTS.IAMNOTSAYINGTHELAMPHOLDER.THANKS

let me see see.

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terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-13 23:04

@superjohnyao

IWILLATTACHEDTHEIMAGESTOSHOWTHEPLASTICPARTS.IAMNOTSAYINGTHELAMPHOLDER.THANKS

Self—ballasted lamps ?

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superjohnyao

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2006-02-13 23:16

@terry.feng

Self—ballastedlamps?

IT WAS A ENERGY SAVING BULB WITH BALLAST

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yuz318

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2006-02-14 09:47

其實(shí)要看好多問題的.例如燈座部件本身符不符合2類要求?不符合的話,沒有了燈罩,手指會(huì)不會(huì)碰到,碰到的話就是說燈罩是防觸電了,因此就要做GLOW-WIRE了,反之,則不用.但是,見IEC/EN 60598-1 clause 4.15,也有提到,不起絕緣的燈罩也可能要“resistance to fire". 這是本人意見,有錯(cuò)的,請多多提點(diǎn).

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terry.feng

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2006-02-14 10:09

@yuz318

其實(shí)要看好多問題的.例如燈座部件本身符不符合2類要求?不符合的話,沒有了燈罩,手指會(huì)不會(huì)碰到,碰到的話就是說燈罩是防觸電了,因此就要做GLOW-WIRE了,反之,則不用.但是,見IEC/EN60598-1clause4.15,也有提到,不起絕緣的燈罩也可能要“resistancetofire".這是本人意見,有錯(cuò)的,請多多提點(diǎn).

是啊!最主要是看著樣品才能判定準(zhǔn)確.

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superjohnyao

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2006-02-14 12:43

@terry.feng

是啊!最主要是看著樣品才能判定準(zhǔn)確.

1139892138.doc
這是燈罩和燈杯的位置

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terry.feng

LV.5

2006-02-14 13:03

@superjohnyao

1139892138.doc這是燈罩和燈杯的位置

是2類燈具吧?要看燈杯是否與一些電原線的基本絕緣觸及,若是碰到基本絕緣物件的話就要做650灼熱絲,還要進(jìn)行耐熱試驗(yàn)75或相應(yīng)的溫升+25度——————個(gè)人理解標(biāo)準(zhǔn)的看法.
我想問問你起初是否做ul產(chǎn)品的?

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superjohnyao

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2006-02-14 13:24

@terry.feng

是2類產(chǎn)品.歐洲市場,燈杯里面是燈頭.

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superjohnyao

LV.2

2006-02-14 13:37

@terry.feng

Terry.feng:
謝謝你的評(píng)論.我當(dāng)時(shí)就放貨了.因?yàn)槲野l(fā)現(xiàn)這兩部分都不是IEC60598-1 說的"起防護(hù)觸電,里面含有帶電體的非鐵部件".而且節(jié)能燈溫度很低,這兩部分不可能由于產(chǎn)品短路而起火.
我懷疑是因?yàn)槲野l(fā)現(xiàn)IEC 60335-1 里面說的"非鐵部件外殼要RESISTANCE TO FIRE" 而且UL 產(chǎn)品好象也有次要求.所以我想是不是要求產(chǎn)品外殼防火不但是可以防止產(chǎn)品短路而起火和如果產(chǎn)品周圍起火的話也可以防止燃燒到產(chǎn)品本身.因而可以防止燃燒到電氣等以降低災(zāi)害的蔓延?我個(gè)人看法

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terry.feng

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2006-02-14 13:49

@superjohnyao

Terry.feng:謝謝你的評(píng)論.我當(dāng)時(shí)就放貨了.因?yàn)槲野l(fā)現(xiàn)這兩部分都不是IEC60598-1說的"起防護(hù)觸電,里面含有帶電體的非鐵部件".而且節(jié)能燈溫度很低,這兩部分不可能由于產(chǎn)品短路而起火.我懷疑是因?yàn)槲野l(fā)現(xiàn)IEC60335-1里面說的"非鐵部件外殼要RESISTANCETOFIRE"而且UL產(chǎn)品好象也有次要求.所以我想是不是要求產(chǎn)品外殼防火不但是可以防止產(chǎn)品短路而起火和如果產(chǎn)品周圍起火的話也可以防止燃燒到產(chǎn)品本身.因而可以防止燃燒到電氣等以降低災(zāi)害的蔓延?我個(gè)人看法

如你所說那就不用進(jìn)行這方面的測試?yán)?/div>

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